Jenny and Vic discuss their relationship history and the various stages and challenges they've faced. Jenny starts by reminiscing about when they first got engaged and shares a hurtful comment she received from a friend. As the conversation unfolds, the two reveal the evolution of their love and commitment over the years. Jenny feels that in the early stages of their relationship, she loved Vic more intensely than he loved her. She recounts instances where she felt Vic wasn't fully committed, like him bringing another woman to an award ceremony or keeping condoms despite their committed relationship. Vic, on the other hand, discusses the lifestyle adjustments he had to make when getting into a relationship with Jenny, who already had three kids. Vic also highlights how he was influenced by his environment where many couples lived together for years without getting married. This impacted his view on commitment, but over time, he understood the importance of marriage and grew towards that idea. The two also discuss the societal pressures and judgment they felt over the years due to not being officially married. Jenny particularly felt embarrassed at weddings when people would ask when they're getting married. She's relieved now, as they are engaged and looking forward to their wedding, feeling a fresh start after navigating through their challenges. The overarching theme of the podcast is that every relationship is unique, and what works for one couple might not work for another. The episode emphasizes the importance of communication, understanding, and navigating relationship challenges together.